tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post2140582346477949877..comments2023-12-28T14:43:54.874+00:00Comments on malung-tv-news: BATTLE FOR HADITHADAVE BONEShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-1419462773600887822008-02-18T17:49:00.000+00:002008-02-18T17:49:00.000+00:00when the military press release says "10 insurgent...when the military press release says "10 insurgents were killed", it often means something like "there were pieces of approximately ten or so people in the rubble and we hope at least a few of them were bad guys".Lazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914611337488187529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-35325585287415996542008-02-18T17:45:00.000+00:002008-02-18T17:45:00.000+00:00"...as long as systematic, sincere and consistant ..."...as long as systematic, sincere and consistant efforts are made to find and punish wrongdoers and correct mistakes."<BR/><BR/>it doesn't look like they are, though.<BR/><BR/>military culture tends to protecting one's own.<BR/><BR/>nothing happened at haditha? what's your source for that?Lazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914611337488187529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-46732730645490793042008-02-18T17:40:00.000+00:002008-02-18T17:40:00.000+00:00they tried to make me join someone else's army, on...they tried to make me join someone else's army, once.<BR/><BR/>i think anyone who joins up for someone else's army is a f-ing fool and mentally unfit.<BR/><BR/>wars of defence and sheer national survival are a different question, maybe. and i'm sure even you can see why an iraqi who had lost friend or family to american force (no matter how inadvertent) would see the present conflict through that lens.Lazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914611337488187529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-35646875245329201652008-01-22T21:57:00.000+00:002008-01-22T21:57:00.000+00:00I would have thought that if it wasn't true Broomf...I would have thought that if it wasn't true Broomfield would have smelt a rat after talking to kilo company and the Iraqi victims. Stories wouldn't match up. Why did they talk to him?DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-53959727779753556672008-01-22T21:52:00.000+00:002008-01-22T21:52:00.000+00:00Yet it could easily be true in the case of war at ...Yet it could easily be true in the case of war at any point in our history.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-12711729570097929812008-01-22T20:19:00.000+00:002008-01-22T20:19:00.000+00:00First off, I should mention that the 'Haditha Mass...First off, I should mention that the 'Haditha Masscre' probably didn't happen. Two years of investigation have ended up with nothing.<BR/><BR/>BTW. Those wre Marines at Haditha, not soldiers. There is a distinction, which I did not make clear in the above post. I was using 'soldiers' as a overall term referring to US military personel who are often falsely accused.<BR/><BR/>Second. Lets assume for the sake of arguement that military personel are indeed 'victims'. Lets analyse the consequences. Military men are no longer responsible for their own actions. Their behavior is attributable to outside forces that are not under their control. Therefore they are relieved of moral constraints to their own behavior. Moreover, we cannot expect a standard of conduct of them - they are merely victims. This is a fundamentally dangerous and unsound principle to advance.BigDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14725632529819898825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-22333061406263474392008-01-22T11:00:00.000+00:002008-01-22T11:00:00.000+00:00Hmm. Watching the film, I can see that Broomfield ...Hmm. <BR/><BR/>Watching the film, I can see that Broomfield has taken some time to talk to Kilo company and has convinced them he intends to portray relevant events in sequence.<BR/><BR/>He's also working with non actors who have experience on the ground in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>He has pieced together this information along with extensive interviews with the families involved in the massacre and guessed at the mentality of those involved in the subsequent cover up.<BR/><BR/>It looked believable to me that a group of people under this stress could behave in such a manner. I am not sure how you can become mentally fit for any of this. I wouldn't really blame these guys. I think they are victims, and I'm not patronizing anyone.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6980742.post-34295045876207218392008-01-22T05:12:00.000+00:002008-01-22T05:12:00.000+00:00Most Americans, that is Americans who sincerely do...Most Americans, that is Americans who sincerely do support and appreciate our military, hold them to a standard of conduct, expecting them to behave as law-abiding adults capable of making moral distinctions. The military expends great effort to assess and weed-out the psychologically and mentally unfit from service starting in Basic training and continuing thruought their career.<BR/><BR/>Naturally, despite best efforts, a few 'bad apples' are bound to slip thru given the millions of men and women who serve every generation. Rational people understand that exceptions happen, rational peopel know that mistakes happen, and these do not taint the reputation of the many as long as systematic, sincere and consistant efforts are made to find and punish wrongdoers and correct mistakes.<BR/><BR/>Much has been made of Haditha. Many accusations have been made against US soldiers, in part because everyone knows, even our enemies that we take law and ethical conduct seriously. Those accusations that have merit should be investigated and prosecuted, coverups and evasions are unacceptable. However, almost all of these accusations have been without merit. Accusing US soldiers is easy. There is a ready audience of credulous journalists, academics, Europeans and leftist Americans. Plus there is no downside. Making false accusations makes you some money and never results in punishment.<BR/><BR/>"Broomfield said he believed they were victims."<BR/><BR/>This is the worst kind of patronizing insult. It shows contempt for soldiers, infantilizing them, making them hapless victims incapable of making moral distinctions. Broomfield may believe that his words and opinion make him enlightened and supportive of military personel, but what he really reveals is his sense of superiority.BigDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14725632529819898825noreply@blogger.com