So to sum up this strange journey so far:
I've met a loose group of Republican's who believe the idea that American soldiers would kill Muslim civilians is ludicrous.
I've met a group of Muslim's who have worshiped at various times over the last few years at Finsbury park mosque who believe that the idea that Abu Hamza is a terrorist is ludicrous.
For 16 months I agreed with them that the idea that any home grown Muslim would set a bomb amongst civilians in this country was ludicrous.
What do I think about all this now?
I think that there is an established order of command with US forces in Iraq which does its best to lessen civilian casualties at the moment. I think droping huge bombs from Aircraft is a fundamentally bad idea and I would expect the civilian relatives of the victims to want to come and kill me. I think torture and detention without trial totally invalidates all the Wests supposed principles.
I find the idea of the export of our kind of democracy before we have made poverty history totally hypocritical. I mean it is fucking sick. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone who believes in God can look at the state of it in their own countries and want to export it in its current form. I cannot see a Muslim country which is exporting Islam with violence.
The situation in Finsbury park confuses me. After meeting the people who believe Mr Hamza is innocent, the idea that he is guilty seems like it has been conceived by people who have never been to Finsbury park mosque. Or by journalists who come in suits with middle class accusations to a fundamentally "street class" group and then leave. It's been entertaining but the real flavour of events hasn't really got on TV.
The cultural difference between middle class journalist and "street" style Muslims has.
52 civilians have been killed in London.
Haroon Rashid Aswat is apparently here.
British justice has yet to decide his fate but its sounds like the village his ancestors came from in India want to hang him anyway, just in case.
Everything on this blog is ludicrous.
5 comments:
DB: "I cannot see a Muslim country which is exporting Islam with violence."
Sudan: In 1983, the government dominated by northern Arabs tried to impose Islamic Sharia law across Sudan, even in areas where the majority is not Muslim.
DB: "After meeting the people who believe Mr Hamza is innocent, the idea that he is guilty seems like it has been concieved by people who have never been to Finsbury park mosque."
But you also said "...She said that according to her religion, it was wrong to criticize fellow Muslims..."
And "...It was no doubt true that he had considerably revised what he was saying, and the manner in which he said it outside the mosque from what he had said inside..."
And "I know Mr Hamza was encouraging people to go to Afghanistan."
You've been to Finsbury Park mosque, and you making a decent case yourself.
Sudan. OK.
In the context you quote Yvonne Ridley is right that in Muslim culture here, people are shy about critisising their Muslim "brothers and sisters" infront of the "kaffir" and especially in the press. What of it?
If you look at Johnathan Galt films of Hamza and co things definately seem more serious. This is why I make this analogy. It has been explained to me that this was filmed when the guys were not long back from Bosnia.
Elsewhere on my blog it is mentioned that Mr Hamza was encouraging people to go to Afghanistan to live under the "ummah". Even the British secret services know that not everyone in Afghanistan was training to kill Americans- before Iraq anyway.
DB: "...people are shy about critisising their Muslim 'brothers and sisters'... What of it?"
How far does that go? To turning a blind eye to the 'martyrs' among them? Is there a commonly understood line one would not cross? (What evidence do we have on this?)
DB: "...Mr Hamza was encouraging people to go to Afghanistan..."
Perhaps a side point, but it seems that Afghanistan is a sorer subject than many let on, and much more relevant than Iraq. The fundamentalist Muslim utopia, won from 13-year jihad against the Soviet Union, and western kaffir armies undo it all in 13 weeks.
Thanks for the summary, and keep up the blogging.
Strangely enough, I think the line to be crossed should be treason. As suggested yesterday by government.
Treason.
Tried in a British court of law.
"The situation in Finsbury park confuses me. After meeting the people who believe Mr Hamza is innocent, the idea that he is guilty seems like it has been concieved by people who have never been to Finsbury park mosque. Or by journalists who come in suits with middle class acusations to a fundamentaly "street class" group and then leave. It's been entertaining but the real flavour of events hasn't really got on TV."
...Guilty...
...As...
...Charged...
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