Self Starter Terr-ist Found Guilty

Isa Ibrahim, 20, made viable explosives, manufactured a suicide vest and carried out reconnaissance on the Broadmead shopping centre. Detectives believe he was about to launch an attack, possibly targeting the centre's busy food court area.

Police are heralding the case as a breakthrough as they say it is the first in which the information about a British would-be terrorist planning an atrocity in the UK has come just from a Muslim community.

Ibrahim's extremism did not come to the attention of the authorities until members of a mosque he attended grew worried about his behaviour and went to Avon and Somerset police.

Apparently Isa radicalised himself and learnt how to make his explosives online.

Telegraph,UTV,Sky,BBC,

They are making a lot of this guy taking influence from Abu Hamza. There is also an article written by a Muslim I have just found called Islam and Jihad in context of international treaties and citizenship of a Non-Muslim majority state which says

...Lamentably, today, some elements are exhorting impressionable Muslim youth with to renege on their commitments and pacts in the name of jihad. In this way they are seeking to instigate them to violate the commandments of the shariah and the limits set by God, while also causing grave damage to the cause of Islam and its followers. These stupid people are not friends of Islam. Many of them, in fact, have been nurtured and are being used by the enemies of Islam. In this regard I can cite two notable instances—Abu Hamza al-Misri and Omar al-Bakri—both of who are based in England and are engaged in provoking young Muslims to take to violence while themselves enjoying the protection of the British Government....

This is a minor problem for me in that from what I saw on the street Hamza was preaching against Jihad here, and serious about his covenant of security. I don't know Bakri, I have seen mixed messages online but last time I saw Anjum Choudhary preach he also spoke about a covenant of security. I have linked to some of Hamza's kutbah's in the side bar. Do go through them to see if I am wrong, but don't radicalize yourself and blame me. The thing is, Hamza's video's which Glen Jenvey put up could be taken in the context of radicalization. In his defence he said they were in the context of what was happening in Bosnia at the time. The jury rejected that defence, unsurprisingly as 7/7 happened two days into the start of his trial.

Glen, as you probably all know by now reverted to Islam over the phone with Omar Bakri and he talks about making peace between Al Qaeda and "The West" rather than any threat. I have never known for certain if these guys are a threat or not. Giving evidence Mohammed Hamid said that there was a debate at Finsbury between those who thought the UK attack on Iraq and Afghanistan was a breach of covenant and those who thought the covenant still existed for Muslims living here and benefitting from this system.

I think they have definately suffered from their own anger allowing them to be costsrued as a threat. For example, in the video I posted the other day Abu Waleed talks about kaffirs not washing. Would the Daily Mail interpret this as hatred of all of us? Would a jury of his peers? He talks OK to me. I don't get any hatred vibes. When I first spoke to him on the phone I got the impression that they were doing "PVE" for free. Watching these videos it is hard not to slip into the mindset of the "journalists" who make money listening through and picking out phrases here and there which might sound vaguely threatening.

The Daily Mail would also argue- everyone today is arguing taking Isa as an example that these preachers should take some responsibility for what they put online and they are right. Atilla always said his hatred and anger was directed at the government, but it wouldn't always sound like that to a stranger sometimes I am pretty sure from the comments which have appeared on my videos of him preaching.

None of this makes a lot of diference to me. I wouldn't give a shit if Muslims did think I was a dirty kuffar. I have always liked the track. Daniel Sanford said they all used to come away from court singing it and I don't think he is an extremist. Obviously I don't want anyone to blow up or be blown up here or over there, but myself here I am just a curious observer.

Nobody blow up OK? It wont do you or your cause any good for a start and you wont be around to try to wade through all this toward a peace where we can all look each other in the eye and say- we did that.


UPDATE: I just found this on an Islamic forum posted in some argument between Muslims about Glen Jenvey's revertion to Islam:

...Dave at malung-tv-news is well known and respected for his non-bias,so I would say this news is very credible due to the source...

Well that sort of balances out the "Unfit to sweep the sidewalk" comment on Ummah.com a bit I suppose but well known? I mean I have seen my webstats...
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THE END OF LONDONISTAN

I've still got a few more of these. This is from when Abdullah (Atilla Ahmet) and co were finally chucked out of the mosque. I called the blog I wrote at the time REVENGE OF THE NORMAL PEOPLE

THE ZIONIST MEDIA

An "Extremist plot" unfolds...

You may remember I was asked if I had any pictures of these guys outside Finsbury park mosque a while back. I wasn't really keen on combing through footage to sell to TV news. Having started in 2003 with high hopes of making a TV documentary which would be useful, informative and above all, a step in the direction of some kind of peace process, for me, in 2007 to be looking through tapes for stills of people who have tried to blow up feels like a personal failure.

Nevertheless, its been an interesting experience as one of the first to contact me was Daniel Sandford from the BBC. I remembered Daniel from the first time I was in Finsbury park. It was very easy to see him through the eyes of the locals- one of the smart suited "Zionist media" enemy lined up against humble local Muslims. Such a long time later I was interested to see what I would make of him away from the mosque, and after a couple of emails he very graciously invited me in to the BBC and gave me the full tour includng a look in the newsroom and the edit suites around it as news was being made. I resisted temptation to sit in the chair and ask for the autocue to roll.

In his own "mission control" I laughed when I saw a signed picture of the then home secretary John Reid, thinking what the Islamists I had filmed would make of that. Up on the wall was also a picture of Goya's collosus.

"There was a reason for that but I can't remember it now.."

Looking along the wall, past pictures of the "Crevice" guys, the 7/7 bombers and the 21/7 plotters I eventually came to Abu Abdullah and Hamid. They didn't have any pictures of the others convicted with them. I must have pictures of them but I still don't know which ones they are.

Daniel said that focusing on Abdullah I had chosen the "most fun character" to do, and I can see why. He also thought Abdullah to be the least likely to have terror in his heart. Though the others in the newsroom were obviously busy they were all welcoming and I recognised one of them from the Hamza trial.

We had quite a frank discussion about perceptions of Finsbury park mosque. I put to him the Supporters of Sharreah's complaints, namely that Hamza on the street was preaching very strongly against terrorism and he wouldn't report it. He said that he thought Hamza spoke with a forked tongue. He'd say something which wasn't threatening and straight away add something which was.

"You've seen my examples?" I asked.

He seemed quite familiar with my stuff, including all the old stuff on Socialistwanker but didn't agree with my point of view.

"For me, the Hamza I saw on the street wasn't a preacher of hate. His defence in court was context, but he was judged in a post 7/7 context. " I think I said. Something along those lines anyway.

He didn't agree with that either and knew the guys who wrote The Suicide Factory personally, one of whom has since died. Yet as a fellow enthusiast for "the story" I felt he was still very much encouraging me to follow my own path in all this and sat without hurrying me for 2 or 3 hours giving me advice, which as I had all but given up, was very timely.

In conversation he told me that the Hamza story was no longer under subjudacy which hit me pretty hard as if I had known I would have tried to contact the Hamza family ages ago.

"If Mrs Hamza wants to talk she had better step on it as the extradition hearing could resume at any time.."

I'm on the case but I'm not hopeful.

We spoke a bit about the disturbingly catchy "Dirty Kuffar" song and Daniel said he often came away from the trials singing it. Daniel Sandford singing "Dirty Kuffar" as a "piece to camera" would be just the sort of thing I'd like to include in a film.

On the way out he took me throught the BBC canteen, past a load of media students on a tour. I was really embarrassed as the look of recognition came across people like a wave..

"Ah..Thats Daniel Sandford" and then they would look across and their face would say "WHO THE FUCK IS THAT???"

The next day I went round to Hajj's place.

"No one is going to speak out now." he said, as did another guy who was round who I never met before, but said he knew Abdullah.

"Hajj, he's facing 100 years. If there are people who can vouch for him, its now or never. I got the impression Daniel Sandford said the things he said about Hamza because that is what he believes, yet he still seemed to be saying to me -if you think you can get the other side, then go for it."

Hajj said he would contact the Hamza family.

"Still his children cry themselves to sleep since the day he was arrested. Why did they have to break into his house in the night with guns? He was a public character, they come like a thief in the night."

"Well Hajj, if you guys think so, then say so. Talk to the family, we'll see what we can do."

An idea occurred to me.

"Listen Hajj, if I asked Daniel to give you the same tour of the BBC he gave me, and you guys sat and had an informal chat, putting your views of all this to each other off the record, would you do it?"

His eyes bulged a bit at the idea of going into the "Zionist media epicentre" but he didn't say no.

"Look Hajj, I've always thought you could be central to some kind of solution with all of this which is why I've stayed in contact with you.."

"I just don't want you to go to hellfire, which is where you are headed.." he retorted.

"Look Hajj, I respect that coming from you as I know you care about me, so I'll try and explain to you my beliefs about God and why I hold them.."

I started explaining but he soon lost interest and started dozing.

I hadn't found any images of the 21/7 guys for Daniel, but over the next week or so I started to find quite a few lost bits on the end of tapes, so when someone from Channel 4 emailed I thought I might as well take the tapes in for them to look through for themselves. Compared to the BBC "news hub" Channel 4 is more ramshackle with the staff still living out of boxes after some sort of unfinished reorganisation. As a lot of my tapes were recorded long play we spent most of the time looking for a firewire lead.

I ended up in the newsroom at a desk behind Jon Snow. I've always wanted to meet him, but as he looked round curiously at 6:45, with the news starting at 7 it didn't seem to be the best time to try and introduce myself.

Shame.

Oh and I haven't got any pictures of the 21/7 guys.