More Islamic commentary on the Hamza trial on Arcis.co.uk
and some very unislamic commentary too...
Abu Hamza: imprisoned for talking rubbish
...It was politicians and journalists who transformed this north London-based radical into a terrible threat to life and liberty as we know it. For the past few years his mug has been plastered on the front pages of the papers under headlines such as 'EVIL HAMZA' and 'Hook is a threat to Britain'. In early 2004, then home secretary David Blunkett took the unusual step of declaring that Hamza was 'unfit' to be a British citizen. The Home Office became obsessed by Hamza; one former minister told Scotland on Sunday that, 'I would go to meetings where Hamza was almost the only thing discussed, [even if he] wasn't on the agenda' (5). Hamza was eventually arrested in a highly publicised dawn raid (details of which were leaked to the Sun the day before it was due to take place), and the government set out its case against him.
It was these political machinations, rather than his own capabilities, that made Hamza into public enemy no.1 - and which no doubt helped him to appear as the brave warrior he claimed to be in the eyes of his supporters. The transformation of a nobody in north London into an evil threat to the fabric of society revealed far more about British society's own sense of insecurity than it did about Hamza's powers or prowess. That everyone from the Home Office to various leader writers could be rattled by the anti-Western and anti-British rants of 'Captain Hook' suggested that many in Britain have a flimsy sense indeed about what they stand for and why.
It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Hamza's trial was a showtrial; worse, that it was a showtrial of a straw man. Having turned him into a panto villain, the authorities then made a spectacle of throwing him off the stage while sections of the media whooped and cheered along. It doesn't say much for British society that it can only feel good about itself by trying and imprisoning a one-eyed whacko like Hamza.
This is actually THE BEST Hamza article I have read in three years. Obviously knowing his friends I don't agree with some of the sentiment towards him but what this guy reckons the whole situation says about Britain is right on the money. If Europe is "Islamised" it would be because these people are morally and culturally destitute. If it was Islamised it wouldn't be them that would suffer either- it would be me.
February 09, 2006
Darren first tried crystal meth when he was 15-years-old and by the age of 17 this destructive drug had a powerful hold on his life. He used the drug in the rave scene, but after he was taught how to steal cars by a meth trafficker, he began using them to transport stolen property from apartment storage locker break-ins, mail thefts, and theft from vehicles. Darren states that he has stolen hundreds of cars which in itself became a second addiction where he stole "for the rush".
Darren speaks freely about how crystal meth almost killed him when, after a meth binge that lasted for 12 straight days and nights without sleep, his throat became swollen shut and he required emergency hospitalization to save his life. He also described drug fuelled high-speed escapes from police in stolen cars where he almost struck innocent pedestrians, including a child beside a school. Darren is now 23-years-old, but he feels that the past eight years have been stolen from him - he was the "walking dead".
Darren's message is clear: crystal meth and car theft stole his life, and nearly stole the lives of innocent people.
Video here
Darren speaks freely about how crystal meth almost killed him when, after a meth binge that lasted for 12 straight days and nights without sleep, his throat became swollen shut and he required emergency hospitalization to save his life. He also described drug fuelled high-speed escapes from police in stolen cars where he almost struck innocent pedestrians, including a child beside a school. Darren is now 23-years-old, but he feels that the past eight years have been stolen from him - he was the "walking dead".
Darren's message is clear: crystal meth and car theft stole his life, and nearly stole the lives of innocent people.
Video here
Heres a cheerful soul
Europe is pregnant with Islam and will give a birth to an Islamic nation
originaly published here
Since September 11, the word Islam has become familiar words around the world. Some Muslims see this phenomenon as an open door for spreading Islam globally. Some even interpret this tragedy as fortuitous because they say Allah will bring good news out of bad news. Others argue that in the future Islam and the message of the Qur’an would have prevailed in any case. Also, some Muslims go further to provide what they perceive as clear proof that this victory will occur...
Because Islam
holds that everything happens for a reason, some Islamists interpret the World Trade Center attack as a means of spreading Islam. In this view the event advanced the early twentieth century prophecy of the Bediuzzamans [holy man]...
In 1908, Saidi Kurdi foretold that Europe would become an Islamic nation. He wrote that his followers should take with pleasure the advantages of Europe - like technology and industry - that would assist them in their progress toward their goal and in the development of their civilization. However, he admonished them that they should forbid the sins and evils of Western civilization from entering the boundaries of their freedom and their culture...
Believing that the most effective tool to defeat the enemy is to shoot the enemy with his own weapon, Muslims see the enemy’s weapon as democracy, rule of law, and particularly freedom of expression. Technology and higher education are also to be appropriated to use against infidels. In their home countries, most Islamists cannot exercise freedom of expression, but in the West they seize the benefits of democracy to spread Islam. Ironically, the airplane hijackers lived in the United States under the rule of law as ordinary members of the community until they executed their plan to crash the planes into the buildings and kill so many occupants. By this strategy of assessing the most advantageous tools of the Western world, Islamic organizations with a mission to revive an international Islamic state take hold of every means of achieving their goal, especially the benefits of the enemy’s society. Academic freedom, freedom of assembly, sophisticated technology, as well as values of tolerance, equal access, and freedom of speech have permitted Islam to become the most rapidly growing religion in both the United States and Europe.
At the turn of the twentieth century, Saidi Kurdi recognized that through their own technology Europeans could be conquered. His early writings predict this conquest.
also a comment from the Belmont Club here
"They said they didn't want to kill me."
Exactly, Skeletal Dave! Muslims have a POLICY called "taqiyyah" which involves consciously and deliberately dissembling and lying to the enemy, to non-Muslims, therefore to YOU.
You can argue that THOSE PEOPLE, THERE may not have been actively seeking your death, or else you'd be dead, but that doesn't eliminate such a desire for your death in the macro-picture.
I can't really argue that one. If I call Abdullah and ask him if "Taqiyyah" means he can lie to me, and he says no, he could still be lying to me.
originaly published here
Since September 11, the word Islam has become familiar words around the world. Some Muslims see this phenomenon as an open door for spreading Islam globally. Some even interpret this tragedy as fortuitous because they say Allah will bring good news out of bad news. Others argue that in the future Islam and the message of the Qur’an would have prevailed in any case. Also, some Muslims go further to provide what they perceive as clear proof that this victory will occur...
Because Islam
holds that everything happens for a reason, some Islamists interpret the World Trade Center attack as a means of spreading Islam. In this view the event advanced the early twentieth century prophecy of the Bediuzzamans [holy man]...
In 1908, Saidi Kurdi foretold that Europe would become an Islamic nation. He wrote that his followers should take with pleasure the advantages of Europe - like technology and industry - that would assist them in their progress toward their goal and in the development of their civilization. However, he admonished them that they should forbid the sins and evils of Western civilization from entering the boundaries of their freedom and their culture...
Believing that the most effective tool to defeat the enemy is to shoot the enemy with his own weapon, Muslims see the enemy’s weapon as democracy, rule of law, and particularly freedom of expression. Technology and higher education are also to be appropriated to use against infidels. In their home countries, most Islamists cannot exercise freedom of expression, but in the West they seize the benefits of democracy to spread Islam. Ironically, the airplane hijackers lived in the United States under the rule of law as ordinary members of the community until they executed their plan to crash the planes into the buildings and kill so many occupants. By this strategy of assessing the most advantageous tools of the Western world, Islamic organizations with a mission to revive an international Islamic state take hold of every means of achieving their goal, especially the benefits of the enemy’s society. Academic freedom, freedom of assembly, sophisticated technology, as well as values of tolerance, equal access, and freedom of speech have permitted Islam to become the most rapidly growing religion in both the United States and Europe.
At the turn of the twentieth century, Saidi Kurdi recognized that through their own technology Europeans could be conquered. His early writings predict this conquest.
also a comment from the Belmont Club here
"They said they didn't want to kill me."
Exactly, Skeletal Dave! Muslims have a POLICY called "taqiyyah" which involves consciously and deliberately dissembling and lying to the enemy, to non-Muslims, therefore to YOU.
You can argue that THOSE PEOPLE, THERE may not have been actively seeking your death, or else you'd be dead, but that doesn't eliminate such a desire for your death in the macro-picture.
I can't really argue that one. If I call Abdullah and ask him if "Taqiyyah" means he can lie to me, and he says no, he could still be lying to me.
Awrite treacle?
Indroducing you all to Gloria who is off to work with the Massai in Nairobi and will be blogging about her journeys on Treacles Travels here.
TERRORISTS. FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
“But they are legislating besides Allah which is totally Haram!”
I had pointed out in conversation with Abdullah the comments on MPACUK which suggested that he and the guy he argued with on Sky TV had both only managed to “Disgrace Islam in front of the Kaffirs.”
I said that although I had nothing to do with Islam I wondered if the man had a point.
Why am I writing these words? Why on earth have I found myself taking about Kaffirs and arguing with Republicans? Why was Finsbury park mosque like a terrorist casting show? Are any of these people real? Looking at the front page of the Standard last night I wondered to myself in a stoned haze whether Hamza, all of them, are spies working for the government. I had a waking dream of Hamza with his dark glasses and hook standing looking at me from a distance. For a fleeting irrational moment I thought Abu Hamza, David Blunkett and Nick Griffin were all robots put amongst our species to herd us through fear.
I had called Abdullah earlier and he appeared to be threatening a “fatwah”, an attack on the Muslims who spoke against Hamza. At points like that I wonder if I should call the Police, but assume they are listening anyway. Barry Norman told me once that Abdullah had threatened to kill him in the mosque but he hadn't taken him seriously. I was relieved when he called back after his prayer time in a calmer mood.
“I know they all desperately want you to be the next Abu Hamza.”
“Well you've seen the Evening Standard. I'm on page 4.”
I had bought all the papers but hadn't looked at them yet. I saw that the standard said "100 Hamzas still out there" or something. Later I saw Abdullah as he said, on page 4 pictured next to some Muslims I have never met who had gone on TV justifying 7/7. If Abdullah ever said anything justifying 7/7 I would be extremely pissed off. I recorded his views on the subject days after the event.
“You don't understand. All this time I am trying to educate you and you don't accept Islam.”
“Look. You have to understand. It doesn't matter from my perspective if a Muslim believes in democracy or not. I don't vote. At the moment I am anti-democracy. If it gave me any choice i would be for it. I stood at the trial out of respect for the jury for giving up their time, not any "man-made law". I've read MPACUK. They are not pro-war. They believe that they can achieve the same results you are after by engaging with democracy. A lot the Republicans I speak to think this is probably true here as Muslims are breeding faster than the rest of us.”
“A bottle of Alcohol is Haram. A sip of alcohol is Haram. Man made law is forbidden for a Muslim. You may not believe me, but whether you accept it or not, all of these TV people give you knock backs yet you stay with this. There is a reason why.”
“Because I am interested in the people who don't justify bombing in this country yet have a different view of Mr. Hamza to the accepted mainstream view. This is what I want to film. My biggest obstacle is your friends. You isolate yourselves. Except for yourself, Hajj and Jamal, everyone else looks at me like I am some sort of Kaffir. I want peace between your culture and my culture. When I started all of this I wasn't even concentrating on Hamza. I started trying to make a film about you because for whatever reason I found you easier to talk to.”
“You shouldn't be offended by the word kaffir. It just means someone who hasn't seen the light.”
“I'm not offended. In Pakistan I stayed with a tribe who used to control an area called Kaffiristan. I don't mind being called a Kaffir. I am a Kaffir.”
Abdullah talks in long rants battering my phone credit, saying things I mostly agree with. Its hard to get a word in edgeways. Thinking about it, he probably thinks the same about me.
“These are my brothers and sisters! I read your site, you don't care, you smoke and drink and live your life. You value a life over here more than a life over there like everyone else.”
“ Why do you say I don't care? That is not true. I may have a different lifestyle but I don't want innocents to be killed anywhere. I wrote on my blog that when I stoped the week after 7/7 I was remembering Muslims killed in Iraq as well as the 52 innocents killed here. You know, I don't want to advise you or anything. I'm just trying to make an objective film, but if you want these results and you speak in an angry voice blurring or being grey about what is a Jew and what is a Zionist you are doing your cause a disservice and so is Mr. Hamza.”
“It says in the Koran. The Jews are cursed because they rejected Jesus. That is why Mohamed came as the final messenger. If I preach now that a Muslim should aid his brothers and fight back in Palestine I am breaking the law, but any Jew can go to Israel, put on a uniform, kill my brothers and sisters and come back.”
I couldn't really argue with the last part. This was one of the most distressing things I realised during the court case. Even knives and blank firing guns at found at the mosque could still point to Muslims training to fight Russians in Chechnya as easily as the right wing papers suggest it points to terrorism over here. Obviously that is what I would like to be true. No one I have met at Finsbury park justified 7/7.
“That is true, and the British people know what a freedom fighter is, but the way you present yourself the British people will not realise that is what you are about. Look. I believe you don't want to kill me. I believe none of you hate Jewish people as a race. All I am saying is try not to loose your temper, and try and remember you are talking to people who are not Muslims.”
I think we came to the end of our conversation with a good understanding of each other.
I just want to push things forward in Londonistan. Peace between Islam and the West. Oil wealth for the people, the end of dictatorships. Things like that. Complete world peace. Arms down. Jesus, Mohamed, all of them. Clean slate you know?
Things like that.
For me personally I'd like to include an option to disgrace my beliefs in public but there you are..
I had pointed out in conversation with Abdullah the comments on MPACUK which suggested that he and the guy he argued with on Sky TV had both only managed to “Disgrace Islam in front of the Kaffirs.”
I said that although I had nothing to do with Islam I wondered if the man had a point.
Why am I writing these words? Why on earth have I found myself taking about Kaffirs and arguing with Republicans? Why was Finsbury park mosque like a terrorist casting show? Are any of these people real? Looking at the front page of the Standard last night I wondered to myself in a stoned haze whether Hamza, all of them, are spies working for the government. I had a waking dream of Hamza with his dark glasses and hook standing looking at me from a distance. For a fleeting irrational moment I thought Abu Hamza, David Blunkett and Nick Griffin were all robots put amongst our species to herd us through fear.
I had called Abdullah earlier and he appeared to be threatening a “fatwah”, an attack on the Muslims who spoke against Hamza. At points like that I wonder if I should call the Police, but assume they are listening anyway. Barry Norman told me once that Abdullah had threatened to kill him in the mosque but he hadn't taken him seriously. I was relieved when he called back after his prayer time in a calmer mood.
“I know they all desperately want you to be the next Abu Hamza.”
“Well you've seen the Evening Standard. I'm on page 4.”
I had bought all the papers but hadn't looked at them yet. I saw that the standard said "100 Hamzas still out there" or something. Later I saw Abdullah as he said, on page 4 pictured next to some Muslims I have never met who had gone on TV justifying 7/7. If Abdullah ever said anything justifying 7/7 I would be extremely pissed off. I recorded his views on the subject days after the event.
“You don't understand. All this time I am trying to educate you and you don't accept Islam.”
“Look. You have to understand. It doesn't matter from my perspective if a Muslim believes in democracy or not. I don't vote. At the moment I am anti-democracy. If it gave me any choice i would be for it. I stood at the trial out of respect for the jury for giving up their time, not any "man-made law". I've read MPACUK. They are not pro-war. They believe that they can achieve the same results you are after by engaging with democracy. A lot the Republicans I speak to think this is probably true here as Muslims are breeding faster than the rest of us.”
“A bottle of Alcohol is Haram. A sip of alcohol is Haram. Man made law is forbidden for a Muslim. You may not believe me, but whether you accept it or not, all of these TV people give you knock backs yet you stay with this. There is a reason why.”
“Because I am interested in the people who don't justify bombing in this country yet have a different view of Mr. Hamza to the accepted mainstream view. This is what I want to film. My biggest obstacle is your friends. You isolate yourselves. Except for yourself, Hajj and Jamal, everyone else looks at me like I am some sort of Kaffir. I want peace between your culture and my culture. When I started all of this I wasn't even concentrating on Hamza. I started trying to make a film about you because for whatever reason I found you easier to talk to.”
“You shouldn't be offended by the word kaffir. It just means someone who hasn't seen the light.”
“I'm not offended. In Pakistan I stayed with a tribe who used to control an area called Kaffiristan. I don't mind being called a Kaffir. I am a Kaffir.”
Abdullah talks in long rants battering my phone credit, saying things I mostly agree with. Its hard to get a word in edgeways. Thinking about it, he probably thinks the same about me.
“These are my brothers and sisters! I read your site, you don't care, you smoke and drink and live your life. You value a life over here more than a life over there like everyone else.”
“ Why do you say I don't care? That is not true. I may have a different lifestyle but I don't want innocents to be killed anywhere. I wrote on my blog that when I stoped the week after 7/7 I was remembering Muslims killed in Iraq as well as the 52 innocents killed here. You know, I don't want to advise you or anything. I'm just trying to make an objective film, but if you want these results and you speak in an angry voice blurring or being grey about what is a Jew and what is a Zionist you are doing your cause a disservice and so is Mr. Hamza.”
“It says in the Koran. The Jews are cursed because they rejected Jesus. That is why Mohamed came as the final messenger. If I preach now that a Muslim should aid his brothers and fight back in Palestine I am breaking the law, but any Jew can go to Israel, put on a uniform, kill my brothers and sisters and come back.”
I couldn't really argue with the last part. This was one of the most distressing things I realised during the court case. Even knives and blank firing guns at found at the mosque could still point to Muslims training to fight Russians in Chechnya as easily as the right wing papers suggest it points to terrorism over here. Obviously that is what I would like to be true. No one I have met at Finsbury park justified 7/7.
“That is true, and the British people know what a freedom fighter is, but the way you present yourself the British people will not realise that is what you are about. Look. I believe you don't want to kill me. I believe none of you hate Jewish people as a race. All I am saying is try not to loose your temper, and try and remember you are talking to people who are not Muslims.”
I think we came to the end of our conversation with a good understanding of each other.
I just want to push things forward in Londonistan. Peace between Islam and the West. Oil wealth for the people, the end of dictatorships. Things like that. Complete world peace. Arms down. Jesus, Mohamed, all of them. Clean slate you know?
Things like that.
For me personally I'd like to include an option to disgrace my beliefs in public but there you are..
February 08, 2006
Bloggers worm pie
OK OK I checked my tapes for the 7/7 bombers a long time ago..
Why oh why do I fucking do this? What did I ever hope to achieve? Stuck between Muslims who don't want to talk to me or don't think I understand because I'm a kaffir and media outlets...you know, I was just interested in the tiny group of people with a diferent opinion about Hamza than the one all over the News. I thought as no one else was doing it I'd give it a go. I thought it would be interesting to film these people. Its that simple and that horendously complicated.
I'm going to eat some worms, then I'm going to try and forget about all this for an evening.
Meanwhile, wonder of all wonders here is an Islamic site which is not scared to touch this issue. I've quoted MPACUK before. They seem to be pro-democracy though a comenter here once accused them of anti-semetism. I just called Abdullah and I think he was raging about having an argument with one of these guys on Sky news live... hang on... here's an interesting comment:
MPAC has at last joined the league of organisations actively engaged in fracturing this Ummah on the basis of their claim to represent the majority of the Muslims as claimed by its spokesperson on the Skynews today. Mr Bukhari, what Islamic interest do you think you were serving when you engaged the brother- Abu Abdullah- in the debate. The skynews journalist tactfully steered the two of you into engaging in dog fight under the pretext of making comments on Abu Hamza. You both ended up calling each othe Kaffirs, and the atmosphere was entirely changed for the two of you from a newroom to a courtroom. ALas, the two of you, and in fact the Abu Hamza himself are pathetic individuals that are simply playing into the hands of your common enemies- that is just how stupid you are. Abu Hamza may have been sentenced today, if you guys do not back off from the same people that led him to his prison room, remember that you already may have been enlisted. A word is enough for the wise.
and another:
SKY then got a close friend of Hamza to debate with someone from the Muslim Council (some banana organization) about the sentence and they just started a slanging match about who was a true Muslim... I could see all the the editors rubbing their hands and slapping their backs at the stupidity of these two people. Why demonise Islam when you can let Muslims do it themselves. I felt ashamed....
and this is interesting:
Abu Hamza says what he means, like it or hate it.
Two:The BNP are a bigger threat. They're winning elections and encouraging others to play the race card. Abu Hamza represents a fringe group within a minority. Despite efforts to prove that he's behind 7/7, we've yet to see proof he's more than rhetoric and spin.
Lastly, the media are obsessed with "the Hook". If newspapers gave fuehrer Nick that much publicity everyone would think the 4th Reich was coming soon.
The first statement is sort of what I think from seeing Hamza. If he was anti-semetic he would fucking say so. As some forgotten person said on TV last night, he is no "shrinking violet".
Anyway another:
Shame on you mapc.
After everything that has happened over these last few days what we didn’t need was any gloating over abu hamza’s conviction. Your participation in it, MPACUK (and of all channels on sky!) was a very bad call. I do not agree with all that hamza says but ive actually listened to him and in his unedited form much of what he says is ok (the delay in prosecution, verdicts and the framing of the counts in the indictment support that). I speak as someone who does not ascribe to any individual or group,. I have supported you in the past and done so proudly but this act of yours disgusted me. Most know nothing of the details of the trial, the defence evidence that was deemed inadmissible or pertinent evidence deemed irrelevant. Do you know that a RABBI & VICAR came as defence witnesses!
This last one explains, I hope to Non-Muslims why Muslims often don't speak out against other Muslims in front of the "kaffir". It seems to be one of the biggest sins.
WHYDONTYOUJUST SHUTTHEFUCKUPDICKHEAD?
"I call upon the governments around the world to stick their fucking oar in as much as possible to stir trouble for political capital."
Who gives a shit if you call on nations? Who are you?
I call upon all nations to make peace with each other and live in harmony.
There. I feel a bit better now.
Who gives a shit if you call on nations? Who are you?
I call upon all nations to make peace with each other and live in harmony.
There. I feel a bit better now.
Missing blogs
February 07, 2006
GUILTY?
Jon Snows snowmail
The DPP is interesting on the issue of whether he got a fair trail,
whether he will be extradited and just how villainous he is.
There's no doubting the odious nature of the utterances captured on
video tape, but I must also confess a very slight concern about the extend
to which he and his hook may have been demonised . My editor tells me
that it's a typical wet liberal view (not for the first time). And
actually damn me twelve good men and women true have banged him to rights. So be it.
also More4News video:
We speak with a man who's known Abu Hamza for years about what he makes of the radical cleric's seven year sentence for soliciting to murder, amongst other things.
Mohamed Ali, chief executive of the Islam channel and acquaintance of Abu Hamza joined us in the studio.
The DPP is interesting on the issue of whether he got a fair trail,
whether he will be extradited and just how villainous he is.
There's no doubting the odious nature of the utterances captured on
video tape, but I must also confess a very slight concern about the extend
to which he and his hook may have been demonised . My editor tells me
that it's a typical wet liberal view (not for the first time). And
actually damn me twelve good men and women true have banged him to rights. So be it.
also More4News video:
We speak with a man who's known Abu Hamza for years about what he makes of the radical cleric's seven year sentence for soliciting to murder, amongst other things.
Mohamed Ali, chief executive of the Islam channel and acquaintance of Abu Hamza joined us in the studio.
ABU HAMZA FOUND GUILTY
I'm going to leave this cryptic because I've been asked to but THERE IS SOMETHING BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS ALL THE MEDIA IS MISSING....No really. ANY journalist who did ANY real research into this would see it STARING THEM IN THE FUCKING FACE. Boooooolocks to them.
Times Online, BBCNews, Reuters
You could actually see a bit of my face in the BBC piece which disturbed me a bit, but the presenter was talking over the question I was asking Mr. Hamza so thats OK.
I'm not really suprised about the verdict as the jury were not allowed to see anything Hamza had said at the time or since which refuted all of this. As I said before, looking at them I thought they would convict on the evidence they saw, the media assault and the current political climate.
Hamza's only defence were his words in court and "context". I was a bit suprised that they convicted on the Encyclopedia of Afghan Jihad after Mr. Seale's testimony, but there you are.
On the ITV News I saw a guy calling himself Abu Jihad say that the "Black Flag of Islam" would be over Downing Street one day. I sat eating lunch with this guy on the steps of St. Pauls the other day. He had missed most of the trial because he was in Turkey. I asked him if the Police had questioned him a lot over the years. He only spoke of one occasion when a group of them were on their way to the airport to go for Hajj in Mecca.
Channel 4 news
Notice in studio discussion Azzam Tamimi doesn't condemn Mr. Hamza outright...
This is a curious interview I missed which Johann Hari (who is gay) did with Hamza years ago.
also do check out Newsnight when the program comes online in a minute
And - at a time when the vast majority of British Muslims are uneasy that their peaceful religious beliefs are often drowned out by the noisiest and most extreme minority within their community - how long will it be before another "Abu Hamza" takes his place?
THE MEDIA drown out the peaceful majority because peaceful Muslims don't make news do they? Notice they ARE DESPERATE for someone to take Hamza's place.
Here is an interesting Times article comparing the Hamza and Griffin cases.
Times Online, BBCNews, Reuters
You could actually see a bit of my face in the BBC piece which disturbed me a bit, but the presenter was talking over the question I was asking Mr. Hamza so thats OK.
I'm not really suprised about the verdict as the jury were not allowed to see anything Hamza had said at the time or since which refuted all of this. As I said before, looking at them I thought they would convict on the evidence they saw, the media assault and the current political climate.
Hamza's only defence were his words in court and "context". I was a bit suprised that they convicted on the Encyclopedia of Afghan Jihad after Mr. Seale's testimony, but there you are.
On the ITV News I saw a guy calling himself Abu Jihad say that the "Black Flag of Islam" would be over Downing Street one day. I sat eating lunch with this guy on the steps of St. Pauls the other day. He had missed most of the trial because he was in Turkey. I asked him if the Police had questioned him a lot over the years. He only spoke of one occasion when a group of them were on their way to the airport to go for Hajj in Mecca.
Channel 4 news
Notice in studio discussion Azzam Tamimi doesn't condemn Mr. Hamza outright...
This is a curious interview I missed which Johann Hari (who is gay) did with Hamza years ago.
also do check out Newsnight when the program comes online in a minute
And - at a time when the vast majority of British Muslims are uneasy that their peaceful religious beliefs are often drowned out by the noisiest and most extreme minority within their community - how long will it be before another "Abu Hamza" takes his place?
THE MEDIA drown out the peaceful majority because peaceful Muslims don't make news do they? Notice they ARE DESPERATE for someone to take Hamza's place.
Here is an interesting Times article comparing the Hamza and Griffin cases.
I spy with my little eye
message from Abu Abdullah: relating to this post and this one
yes mr bones that the one (Paula Newton) shes trying to frame me as a spie . she said that im working for the cia & mi6. where the hell she got her information from is beyound me these people stop at nothing in telling lies so thay can make a name for themselves. this is why we dont trust the media. they sould change their name from media to bushmeya. phone me when you can
yes mr bones that the one (Paula Newton) shes trying to frame me as a spie . she said that im working for the cia & mi6. where the hell she got her information from is beyound me these people stop at nothing in telling lies so thay can make a name for themselves. this is why we dont trust the media. they sould change their name from media to bushmeya. phone me when you can
February 03, 2006
Quite right too. Well done Jamie Oliver. He maybe a Tory boy but he did the right thing. Spectacular.
I've just been trying to look up gambling odds on America attacking Iran.
I found this from this
so if I bet a tenner on September how much do I win? And what would the odds on the opportunity to enjoy my winnings be?
Rightwingnuthouse is getting right into it of course...
While most experts believe that the Iranians will eventually have 50,000 centrifuges housed in the FEP at Natanz, the best estimate is that they currently only have 1000 – 1500 on hand, hence the long lead time between getting the enrichment plant up and running and converting enough U-235 to build a workable bomb. At full capacity, the plant should be able to enrich enough uranium to make 25-30 bombs a year.
I found this from this
so if I bet a tenner on September how much do I win? And what would the odds on the opportunity to enjoy my winnings be?
Rightwingnuthouse is getting right into it of course...
While most experts believe that the Iranians will eventually have 50,000 centrifuges housed in the FEP at Natanz, the best estimate is that they currently only have 1000 – 1500 on hand, hence the long lead time between getting the enrichment plant up and running and converting enough U-235 to build a workable bomb. At full capacity, the plant should be able to enrich enough uranium to make 25-30 bombs a year.
via terrorism news:
We would be happy to work under the Irish model...
The West has nothing to fear from Hamas. We're not going to force people to do anything. We will not impose Sharia. Hamas is contained. Hamas deals only with the Israeli occupation. We are not Al Qaeda.
I tried to bring "the Irish model" into the fray when the TV News brought US acusations of terrorism to Abu Hamza in Preachers of Hate. Didn't really work. Nice try though.
We would be happy to work under the Irish model...
The West has nothing to fear from Hamas. We're not going to force people to do anything. We will not impose Sharia. Hamas is contained. Hamas deals only with the Israeli occupation. We are not Al Qaeda.
I tried to bring "the Irish model" into the fray when the TV News brought US acusations of terrorism to Abu Hamza in Preachers of Hate. Didn't really work. Nice try though.
ONE EYED
What is it with the one eye thing? There's Nick Griffin, Abu Hamza, Mullah Omar, also -
an Algerian militant named Mokhtar Belmokhtar, "The One-Eyed." ...(who) for years had run a transnational smuggling and banditry operation from the deserts of northern Mali. The U.S. military believed that after 9-11 Mokhtar was recruiting and arming religious radicals in the area; it wanted to attack his camps. The State Department argued that the intelligence on Mokhtar was not conclusive, and the American embassy in Mali insisted that an air strike on Mokhtar would "radicalize people you don't want to radicalize," according to a U.S. government official in the Sahel.
I thought "radicalizing people you don't want to radicalize," was official US policy now no?
also an interesting piece in the Asian Age:
In London at the Old Bailey, the trial has begun of one Abu Hamza Al Masri. He is accused of inciting other people to murder on racial and religious grounds. In the Crown Court in Leeds, the leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin, faces charges of inciting people to racial hatred.
Both these characters are notorious...
In both cases I feel that the Crown will fail to convince a jury that the "incitement" did anything more than express an insulting opinion.
Liberal democracies can't afford in today's world to create a crime of political heresy. Insult to religion and to the feelings of groups of people ought to be incorporated, albeit with accompanying debate and protest, as part of the dialectic of freedom.
if you look at the original you'll see I've been very selective in quotation...
an Algerian militant named Mokhtar Belmokhtar, "The One-Eyed." ...(who) for years had run a transnational smuggling and banditry operation from the deserts of northern Mali. The U.S. military believed that after 9-11 Mokhtar was recruiting and arming religious radicals in the area; it wanted to attack his camps. The State Department argued that the intelligence on Mokhtar was not conclusive, and the American embassy in Mali insisted that an air strike on Mokhtar would "radicalize people you don't want to radicalize," according to a U.S. government official in the Sahel.
I thought "radicalizing people you don't want to radicalize," was official US policy now no?
also an interesting piece in the Asian Age:
In London at the Old Bailey, the trial has begun of one Abu Hamza Al Masri. He is accused of inciting other people to murder on racial and religious grounds. In the Crown Court in Leeds, the leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin, faces charges of inciting people to racial hatred.
Both these characters are notorious...
In both cases I feel that the Crown will fail to convince a jury that the "incitement" did anything more than express an insulting opinion.
Liberal democracies can't afford in today's world to create a crime of political heresy. Insult to religion and to the feelings of groups of people ought to be incorporated, albeit with accompanying debate and protest, as part of the dialectic of freedom.
if you look at the original you'll see I've been very selective in quotation...
February 02, 2006
OK the "one eyed BNP sheik" has beaten his "incitement to religious hatred" rap on two counts, with a retrial scheduled for the other two. In the case of the "other one eyed sheik" the jury have asked for a fucking dictionary- and they've been turned down! The Independent seem to have captured the mood of the moment with Nick Griffin as an example of freedom of speech, juxtaposed with a picute of Palestinian gunman outside protesting "journalistic freedom" extending to a derogatory cartoon depiction of Mohamed across Europe.
also Hamza Judges laptop stolen
and here is a good BBC piece about Fitz's summing up for the defence
alsoHook's Big Ben Bomb Book
also Hamza Judges laptop stolen
and here is a good BBC piece about Fitz's summing up for the defence
alsoHook's Big Ben Bomb Book
February 01, 2006
TAIKONAUT! HOW TO SAVE THE WORLD, PART ONE
A one-woman show written and performed by Anna Chen
Directed by Jonathan Man
"I looked from pig to man and from man to pig,and already it was impossible to tell who'd look better in a bacon sandwich."
A stranded taikonaut (Chinese for astronaut) contemplates looming planetary destruction and the twists of fate which brought her from England to a decaying orbit as she works out how to get back home - if home still exists.
One of a new generation of political plays, Taikonaut is a black horror comedy exploring how love of power still trumps the power of love, and how the dream of a better world slips further away the closer you get.
This cautionary tale follows Anna Chen's acclaimed comic debut, Suzy Wrong - Human Cannon, in which she took a shotgun and a scalpel to the stereotypes of Chinese women. She now does politics and gives us a snapshot of the British Chinese experience in the 21st century.
FIRST PUBLIC PERFORMANCES BAC FEBRUARY 2006
Two Scratch Nights
BAC, Lavender Hill, London SW11 5TN
8pm Saturday 18th and 6pm Sunday 19th February 2006
(Saturday performance is followed by a Q&A session)
An opportunity to see the show in its early stages before it hits the theatre and festival circuit
Tickets: �5, �3 concessions
BAC box office: 020 7223 2223
BAC ticket booking website
www.annachen.co.uk
Included as part of the Mayor of London's China in London season 2006
Directed by Jonathan Man
"I looked from pig to man and from man to pig,and already it was impossible to tell who'd look better in a bacon sandwich."
A stranded taikonaut (Chinese for astronaut) contemplates looming planetary destruction and the twists of fate which brought her from England to a decaying orbit as she works out how to get back home - if home still exists.
One of a new generation of political plays, Taikonaut is a black horror comedy exploring how love of power still trumps the power of love, and how the dream of a better world slips further away the closer you get.
This cautionary tale follows Anna Chen's acclaimed comic debut, Suzy Wrong - Human Cannon, in which she took a shotgun and a scalpel to the stereotypes of Chinese women. She now does politics and gives us a snapshot of the British Chinese experience in the 21st century.
FIRST PUBLIC PERFORMANCES BAC FEBRUARY 2006
Two Scratch Nights
BAC, Lavender Hill, London SW11 5TN
8pm Saturday 18th and 6pm Sunday 19th February 2006
(Saturday performance is followed by a Q&A session)
An opportunity to see the show in its early stages before it hits the theatre and festival circuit
Tickets: �5, �3 concessions
BAC box office: 020 7223 2223
BAC ticket booking website
www.annachen.co.uk
Included as part of the Mayor of London's China in London season 2006
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